Online reactions to The Oak, the new restaurant/bar planned to open soon on Beacon Avenue South, have generally been positive. However, not everyone is thrilled about the new business. Residents living in the area around the Oak, at 3019 Beacon Ave. S., recently found flyers on their doorsteps bearing the headline “Are You Aware?”
“Are you aware that there is a pending application with the Washington State Liquor Control Board for our new neighbor @ 3019 Beacon Ave. South to operate a TAVERN in our neighborhood? … This will definitely impact all of us (positive or otherwise) but the bottom line is that we should have a say about this matter. We are asking you to get involved!”
The flyer suggests sending objections to Alan Rathbun of the Liquor Control Board, as well as to James Kenny, the Assistant City Attorney, then ends with the appeal “Act Now … Participate … Beacon Hill is also yours!”
Redd Mateo is the contact person listed on the flyer. The Beacon Hill Blog asked Mateo how many people are involved in the group protesting The Oak, and he said “I can’t tell you that as of yet but from the initial input we gather, there is a good number of neighbors (mostly with children).” Asked about his group’s specific concerns with The Oak, he listed several potential issues: littering, noise, crowd control, and public urination. “The bar they operate in Capitol Hill opens from 4 p.m. to 2 a.m. Assuming that they close at 10 p.m., who will stop them from extending those hours to 2 a.m.?”
Mateo forwarded a letter written by another neighbor, Gwen Lewis, addressed to the Liquor Control Board and objecting to The Oak’s liquor license. (Read the letter here.) Lewis’ letter includes a concern that “…Beacon Baptist Church, Beacon Lutheran Church, and the Beacon Hill Library may be within 500 feet.” (According to Google Maps, the Oak would be roughly 630 feet from the front door of the Library, about 730 from the Baptist Church, and roughly 800 feet from the front door of the Lutheran Church. The Lutheran Church no longer operates but there is still a preschool on the site.)
The letter also alleges “chronic illegal activity (Per RCW 66.24.010) associated with the applicants operations of the premises proposed to be licensed AND the applicant’s operation of another licensed premise.” The letter then describes circumstances at the owners’ other establishment, The Redwood, back in 2006 when the bar had newly opened and had problems with some of its neighbors on Capitol Hill, who complained about noise and filed a zoning complaint with the Department of Planning and Development (DPD). However, The Redwood’s case with the DPD has been closed since 2007 and the business is still operating at the same location on Capitol Hill.
Other allegations in the letter include statements that the Oak’s owners have worked on the property without permits and were issued a violation, and that representatives of the Oak “informed neighbors that the applicant was opening up a coffee shop (but) on February 6 the applicant posted a liquor license application notice.” According to the DPD website, there was a complaint and violation last month, but the Oak’s owners have also received two permits since that date.
Lewis’ letter also brings up the 2008 shooting at the Beacon Pub, limited parking in the area, and a “known drug area at nearby Triangle Park” (Stevens Place Park) as additional reasons to object to the Oak’s liquor license application.
Lisa Jack, one of the co-owners of The Oak, was shocked to hear about the flyers and the opposition by these neighbors. She told the BHB, “When buying this building we were told that Beacon Hill would support this move wholeheartedly as they were looking for new fun businesses. The Redwood is an entirely different establishment in an entirely different neighborhood; it would be lovely if one of these disgruntled people would just come talk to us.”
She added, “We have been very honest with everyone, even in the early stages of not knowing what it would be… we have said ‘restaurant/lounge that will serve children as well in the dining area.’ We intend The Oak will be a neighborhood place for Beacon Hill residents and we hope to have weekend brunch too.”
Mateo and Lewis are concerned that The Oak, as a drinking establishment, won’t be a good fit for the location, which is a commercial building but has residences directly adjacent to the south and west. Mateo said, “Please don’t get me wrong. I really welcome new business in our neighborhood… just like that new pizza place. What a great place. But a tavern is totally different. This is something that will impact a lot of people in the neighborhood.”
Jack, who along with co-owner Mat Brooke is moving to the neighborhood herself, is disappointed at the turn of events. “It seems like the responses in your blog as well as passers-by have been very excited by what we are doing. It breaks my heart that we may have to struggle once again to make a good honest business.”
We support you Oak!
I live pretty close by and have a kid. I think there is a disconnect since the Oak seems like it will be family friendly and allow minors until 10. That does not sound like a tavern.
I plan on coming there with my kid.
I don’t know how this “Mateo and Lewis” pair are, but they certainly don’t represent the majority Beacon hill.
We are excited for it too!
We live within walking distance of where the Mighty Oak will be, and we have a nine year-old. I’m happy there’s a new small business opening up in the neighborhood, and I expect we’ll be regular patrons. Even if this was a tavern that did not allow minors, I’d be happy it was coming as well. Because sometimes perfectly nice people go to taverns and there currently isn’t one on Beacon Hill.
I am excited for the Oak to open!!
In my day, most “taverns” sold only beer. I cannot claim a NIMBY here, as I am 2+- miles from the site in question, on North Beacon Hill.
Opening a lounge/tavern/restaurant is an expensive undertaking, and then it depends if the neighborhood supports it. As I recall the liquor law(s) any bar must be 500 feet or more from schools. I note in one statement there is a daycare/school? Closer that that to the proposed bar,and whether this is an accredited school is the question.
Again,in the long term, the success of this new establishment will depend on the support of the neighbors and Beacon- Hillers. Churches and Bars can exist together, and I daresay church goers will frequent the bar as well,so I wish the new bar success.
Lenny, very northwest Beacon Hill
PS: The WSLCB may even determine if bars are too close to each other, which in this case does not apply.
Lenny, according to Google Maps the preschool is about 800 feet away from the bar. So the 500-foot rule should not be an issue.
Bring on the Oak! It would be a GREAT addition to BeHi. My friends and I are soooo tired of having to venture off the hill to go to a nice tavern. Corso is nice but doesn’t work when you want to go someplace for a spontaneous gathering of more than 4 friends.
How can we help you?
Holy cow I can’t believe this! I have been looking forward to the Oak’s arrival in an area completely iunderserved by delightful venues like this will be. It will NOT be a replay of the crumby Beacon Pub! How can we petition to get rid of lousy Puritanical neighbors who do not speak for us?
@Kathryn-we can’t get rid of them, but we can prove their claims silly and unfounded by making the Oak the kind of place we all want it to be.
We had the same experience at the Fremont Abbey a long time ago when we were just opening. And we were a concert venue, cafe, pub, church, and arts center all rolled into one. The claims were the same then, public littering, loitering, drunkeness, urination on yards etc. It was all quite laughable and it didn’t take long for the neighbors to realize none of that was going to happen because we cared about or neighborhood and magically the complaint police had nothing to argue and went quietly away. I suspect the same will happen here.
I’m looking forward to grabbing a pint with all y’all. Cheers.
PS I’m with John-how can I help?
I sort of miss the ole Beacon Pub… and Perry Ko’s. but bring on the Oak!
Oh brother! I can’t believe some one put out a negative or “cautionary” flyer on this.
Welcome Oak! Business’ like this BUILD community.
We have lived here since 1993 and can’t say how great it is to have new business’ choosing to develop on BH.
I also live a few blocks from the Oak. I support this place 100%.
Every establishment that serves alcohol is not the Beacon Pub. As hard as it may be to believe it, 1000s of establishments operate throughout Seattle everyday selling beer, wine, and spirits without incident.
The owners of the Oak are clearly not idiots. They have a successful business in Capitol Hill, because they are serving the needs of a constituency that exists in large supply there.
I bet if you asked the principals of the Oak, you’d find out that to the extent there were problems early in their time on Capitol Hill they actually stemmed from the Redwood being more successful out of the gate than perhaps they expected.
I bet they’d also tell you that they have learned some useful lessons from their experiences in Capitol Hill as well. That all of the complaints seem to have been resolved speaks to that fact.
Beacon Hill will be the beneficiary of those lessons. We need more creative business people. Not less.
A smart business person strives to open a business that meets the needs of the neighborhood. A creative business person doesn’t necessarily just want to roll out the same concept again and again. They see each new business as an opportunity to learn, grow, and adapt.
The constituency that made the Redwood successful in Capitol Hill does not exist in nearly as large a supply on BEHI. So a business will need to be different here to succeed.
It’s clear from Lisa Jack’s comments that she gets this and that she and her partners are opening the Oak in that spirit. Why wouldn’t they? It’s the smart thing to do?
Mateo says that he “welcomes new business in our neighborhood” and loves places like Bar Del Corso. Well, last I checked, Bar Del Corso has full bar service. So does El Quetzal. So does Baja Bistro.
What reason do we have to believe that the Oak will be significantly different from these businesses in terms of the mix of food and beverage service it provides, particularly when it is so clear that there is a lot of demand for this sort of mix in our neighborhood?
When I imagine what the Oak could be, I see families and their kids waiting out front to get inside on a Saturday morning for brunch, just like they do at Geraldine’s in Columbia City. I see moms and dads with strollers having lunch or dinner there. I see another place where I can meet some friends for a drink in the evening or go watch a ballgame and have a burger.
I see more people out on the street. I see more opportunities to randomly run into my friends and neighbors from BEHI. I see myself walking to a business and keeping my dollars in Beacon Hill instead of having to drive to another neighborhood to eat or grab a beer.
I see homeowners’ property values appreciating, as more people perceive BEHI as a place with an attractive mix of parks, transit, proximity and local business activity.
So if you support the Oak and live in the neighborhood, I suggest that you shouldn’t just support it here on the blog. Send your positive comments to that Liquor Board e-mail address as well.
Don’t let the only voices be the small number of critics. Don’t send the message to creative people who want to take a chance and open a new business here that BEHI is not a good place to try and do that. I think just about everybody loses if that happens.
The Mighty Oak can’t open soon enough, as far as this Beacon Hill mom’s concerned. Cheers!
Crazytalk. I live on the same block as the Oak (with young children), and I couldn’t be a bigger supporter. Bring it on. And fast. And with Manny’s Pale Ale.
I would argue there are far more important things in the world these people could be devoting their time and energy towards.
The Oak will be a fantastic addition to a neighborhood that needs more restaurants, bars and things to do.
As Brook said: sometimes nice people go to taverns, too. And odds are it will be locals patronizing it, so if you don’t like the locals, move off the hill.
I’m with everyone else on this comment list (so far), and especially want to highlight one of many great points J-Lon made in his/her comment: “…if you support the Oak and live in the neighborhood, I suggest that you shouldn’t just support it here on the blog. Send your positive comments to that Liquor Board e-mail address as well.”
I understand why people raise concerns when there is a significant change on the horizon. But I think there is some definite over-reacting and “knee-jerk” reacting happening here with this new opposition. I have friends who own businesses ranging from coffee shops (who also maintain a full bar for the evening crowd) to divey bars in Belltown, and classy bars in Ballard.
There is a) No reason to assume the Oak will be anything like the Capitol Hill business these folks own–It’s demeaning to the business owners to assume anything about their plans for Beacon Hill, as though they haven’t thought about what kind of atmosphere a business here would need to have in order to fit in and thrive. It’s in THEIR best interests for their neighbors to support them–and b) No reason to oppose their wanting to open a business that serves alcohol, has a lounge, etc. because there might, maybe, somehow, someday be some jerk who drinks too much and drops an empty cigarette pack on the sidewalk, or urinates in somebody’s yard. We have vagrants on the hill who do that now!
In all my years on Beacon Hill, I haven’t heard of a single incident from patrons of Baja Bistro, Inay’s, El Quetzel, the latest, and wonderful Bar Del Corso. I just can’t believe the fear that drives some people. It must be paralyzing, and make them very sad and tense individuals. Yes, someone got shot at the Beacon Pub. I also have about a zillion wonderful memories of the Pub. Of getting to know my new roommates back in 2006. Of having the best birthday party I’ve ever had in 2007. Of music, and making friends. Was it a little grimey? Yes. Was the atmosphere for everyone? No. Were some of their customers annoying sometimes? Sure! We all survived the Beacon Pub. Most of us with lots of laughs and good times. Don’t let the bad apples spoil the bunch Beacon Hill.
I guess my biggest issue with this opposition of the Oak, is that these folks don’t seem to be voicing their concerns with the business owners themselves (not just business owners, but now property owners on Beacon Hill, our neighbors, and in all likelihood, soon to be friends). This makes me sad and a little ashamed that our neighbors would choose such an impersonal and roundabout method to express concern. And the assumptions being thrown around, jeez. Maybe I have it all wrong, but so far, I’m feeling icky about this whole thing.
Gregg and I are with you folks. Bring on the business! We can’t wait to meet up with you and our other neighbors at your establishment (even the ones who were pissy early on, before they knew what you were all about). I have faith!
Sorry for the rant. Didn’t expect this to be so long. I feel really passionate about this issue.
Good luck, guys. We’ll do what we can to help.
I would hope that the people organizing this can take a minute to talk to the new owners before going over board on this. Clearly this is going to be a family friendly and welcome addition to our neighborhood and I for one can’t wait to bring my kids to the Oak.
We need more places like this!
“it would be lovely if one of these disgruntled people would just come talk to us.”
Amen!
My husband and I are in total support of new businesses moving into the neighborhood … especially a place where we can enjoy a beer with our kid in tow and then walk home. I plan on emailing support to the liquor board. I am one of the people who stopped the business owners as I was walking by (with my little one) to ask what was going into the space. They were very friendly and excited and said it was to be a “neighborhood place … kid friendly.” Dunno. Seems like a great thing for a neighborhood.
I just don’t understand why some people want to thwart some local development? In fact I think getting a little nightlife up here where locals can walk around and stay in their own area will make things safer. We will have invested business owners and more foot traffic. People will be socially and getting to know their neighbors. Its unfortunate that some seem to be overreacting.
Also, I used to live on Capitol Hill and really enjoy Redwood. Fun food and good beer. Its not as scary and horrid as the reputation it appears to have. I hope the owners read all these posts of support and know that many are happy to have them up here!
I can’t wait for The Oak to open. I live a few blocks away, I have little kids, and I think this is just what we need. I really hope a few puritanical teetotalers don’t ruin this opportunity for the rest of us.
Here’s another pro-Oak comment.
Who the h*ll thinks we can’t have a bar on Beacon Hill? I actually suspect that this place won’t be tavern-like enough for me. If there’s too many kids around, I’ll continue to walk up to cap hill for beverages. Lucky for the owners, half the time I go to the Redwood, so I guess they’ll still get money from me.
We too support the Oak! It’s exactly what we need up on the hill (we have a lot of great other restaurants, but we don’t have one like this) and I commend the owners for taking the risk. It WILL help build community.
Wendy, is there any way you can forward this list of comments on to Liquor Control Board & the Assistant City Attorney? A lot of good thoughtful support here.
Just sent an email in support of approving the liquor license. Thought I’d let all of you know the email address on the flyer turned out to be bogus. Went to Liquor Control Board website found the correct email for comments on license applications as well as the license number for The Mighty Oak. Correct email for comments is customerservice@liq.wa.gov and the license number is 408904. Send those postive emails.
Curtis, I was just reading the last comment on the thread before yours and thinking to myself, I want to copy and past this whole thread and send it to the WSLCB right now! It would be better etiquette and maybe have more weight behind it if Wendy sent. I will write to the board with my own opinions and thoughts as a longtime resident and family-friendly business owner myself.
Cheers, all!
-Jessie
PS: I wanted to mention one little thing that’s been on my mind since last night, and that is, I hope we (supporters and commenters on this thread) are not overreacting at the reaction of an apparently small slice of north Beacon Hill residents. I totally support their doing their research, voicing their opinions, expressing concerns, and all that good stuff. But with the information I have to go on so far, it seems like there is a backwards, confrontational (albeit passive-aggresive, which is even worse) methodology, and that is what I dislike about it. On principle, I think all residents on the hill should have the opportunity to have their voices heard, and should create opportunities for themselves to do so. I would just like to see us all being friendly, welcoming, doing our research, and communicating constructively with one another, rather than puttering around behind the scenes trying to start a movement to destroy things before they even begin or have a chance to.
Sorry for the lack of paragraph breaks. I have to stop ranting while I’m hungry. I don’t pay enough attention. 🙂
I am EXCITED for the Oak to open. We need MORE (not less!) decent places to eat and drink here on Beacon Hill.
At the risk of repeating myself(again), I cannot claim a NIMBY for the Mighty Oak,nor would I.
WSLCB writes that the license is pending but not approved as of a few days ago. Perhaps by now it has, so they can go forwards with confidence to finish the construction
work. The license will be for a spirits,beer,wine bar/lounge restaurant.
The majority of us seem to be in approval, and neighbors or whoever, who do not, will
have to adjust to the new welcomed business. L L
PS: LOL, it’s a nice name,non controversial, considering some of the weird bar names recently approved
by the liquor board .
We are excited to have more options to meet friends for drinks.
Would much rather support a neighborhood business then go to Columbia City or Georgetown.
Mmmmmmm……. Beer.
Beer and very possibly fried things. Woot!
you guys are all very amazing!
We are excited about the Mighty Oak! Two years away in New Zealand and the change we’ve hoped for and worked toward and invested in for our neighborhood continues to proceed. We can’t wait to come back to the neighborhood, and we’ll look forward to introducing our 2nd grader to a nice neighborhood pub (or whatever exact moniker it will have). We hope people will drive down from Capitol Hill, drive over from Madrona and take the train up from Columbia City too . . . .
If somebody said they were going to build a pet store in that building, and it would give away free puppies to every child, and those puppies would poop rainbows and sing happy songs instead of barking, somebody ELSE would send out flyers to say how sorry we’ll all be once we’re arse-deep in rainbows and our kids won’t stop playing with the puppies long enough to do their homework.
Fact is, some people are just determined to be unhappy. I’m willing to wager the first pint at The Oak that the WSLCB sees at least one letter of protest for every new license application; they’re probably quite used to it. But I’m equally certain that they don’t see nearly as many letters of support, so if you’re looking forward to having a new watering hole on the Hill, take a few minutes to write an email or even a real letter on actual pulped trees. It will proabably count for more in their minds than yet another complaint.
And if you run into the guy who has been handing out leaflets, be kind. Don’t argue, don’t insult, don’t disparage; just be happy that everyone has a right to their own opinions, and that we live in a neighborhood filled to bursting with all sorts of diversity. If we all acted and thought the same way, we’d might as well just move into a gated community and burn the welcome mat behind us. 😉
There are a couple of side things that I’ve been thinking about here. (And now I see that since I started writing this yesterday, CindyV already touched on one of them but I’ll still add my comment.)
First is that the folks who are concerned about the Oak having a negative impact on the neighborhood may not be giving much weight to the fact that the business has purchased the building and isn’t just leasing it. They are making a long-term investment, and opening a nuisance bar isn’t in the interests of that investment. A lot of Beacon Hill’s lack of small business growth is tied to absentee, or at least disinterested, property owners and I hope this is the start of more business property investment to break that cycle.
The other thing I’ve been thinking about is that those of us who enthusiastically support the Oak should remember what it is replacing. The Capitol Hill connection sounds great to me, but it surely sounds like gentrification to others. We’re trading a Filipino restaurant for a pub and there’s another planned pub on the way just down the street. Throw in Bar Del Corso, and it’s an even bigger shift in the food service landscape. Columbia City has made its “most diverse zip code in the country” status a point of pride and as it business district has come back from the dead that diversity has been at least somewhat represented in the small businesses that have opened up.
I personally am not afraid that Beacon Hill is about to trade diversity for out-of-control gentrification, but I can understand that others might. Maybe that’s not an element in the opposition, but it could be. I see it as a reminder to be sensitive to others’ concerns and not give in to the nasty, divisive name-calling and discounting of others’ perspectives that has sometimes poisoned neighborly relations in the past.
This protest is not too hard to understand if you look at the address of Ms. Lewis as written on her letter. She lives directly behind the Mighty Oak building. I would expect it’s extremely common for people who live right next to a potential new bar/restaurant to be unhappy. But as others have said, I would think the first step as a neighbor would be to talk to and negotiate with the owners of the future bar/restaurant and come to an understanding. Taking this step right off the bat seems to poison the relationship between two neighbors that may well have to live with each other for years to come.
I think the Oak will be great. Now, if we could only get the gas stations to stop selling alcohol, that would help with the people I witness urinating, defecating, fighting and sometimes stealing on beacon hill.
I am happy to see another business opening up in our neighborhood and especially one that will serve brunch on the weekends!
I’m happy with the recent comments on the new Mighty Oak even if there isn’t an oak tree in sight,
I echo Bob Zappones comment about a brunch, but possibly every day !
I feel pretty sure the bar owners will be very careful in running their bar/lounge/restaurant, as there are very
bad consequences if they don’t. They, as with other bars, need to watch for over pouring, in other words serving people more alcohol to get them incapacitated. Even if the drunk customer leaves the bar, the bar owner is held responsible if there is a car wreck or other injury. The bar can be
fined, or if there are more incidents, the bar can get a suspended license or closure.
I know we won’t have the same rowdy bars such as currently exist below us in SODO, or the ex-V bar up on Denny.
Again, I say go for it Mighty Oak ! LENNY
I have to say, I just LOVE this comment thread. Every time I check the blog, there are a bunch of new comments. You all are so thoughtful, respectful, smart, and I just generally enjoy reading what you have to say.
Today, I’d like to thank CindyV in particular. I think I spit a little on my computer screen laughing so hard at your post. Good stuff!
Now I’m going to do what I said I was going to do yesterday and write the WSLCB. Thanks so much for posting the correct info, Racheal! 🙂
Just emailed my support of this new business. As a neighbor and mom, I’m so pleased to have great local places to enjoy with my family during the day/evening, and hang with the hubby at night without having to leave the neighborhood. We just enjoyed a few hours at the new El Quetzal bar and had a blast meeting new friends and neighbors! Keep em coming!
As a longtime resident of Beacon Hill (since 1988) I’m so impressed by the thoughtful comments expressed by my neighbors in regard to the establishment of this new business. You folks are articulate, passionate, mindful, generous, etc., etc., and I am so pleased to be living here. I feel like Beacon Hill is blossoming right now, and that people who have been attracted to our unique community and who have been moving here are largely a special group and will nurture our inevitable growth.
Thanks for the info on how to support the Mighty Oak’s liquor license application. I sent in my support. Welcome to the hill, Mighty Oak folks!
A new bar? Hooray! Beacon Hill needs more eating/drinking establishments of ANY kind. And the busybodies trying to kill the bar – move to Utah or something. Leave us alone.
Who cares if there’s a bar near a church? Churches operate on pretty much the exact opposite schedule of bars, and if the churches are afraid of the competition, they need to step it up – not hide behind the government.
The downtown library is anchored by bars, yet they manage to get by, so that’s a non-issue.
This isn’t 1930. Hopefully the end of the state liquor stores will put an end to the ridiculous bueracracy that is the WSLCB. Let zoning laws and the cops handle it.
Acrimony increases democratic participation and can be the best advertising! I can see neighbors are eager to support another great small business on Beacon Hill, especially one under attack. So I say,
Vote with your throat!!
And it wouldn’t hurt to send an e-mail of support to the liquor control board, our “higher” moral authority somewhere in the deep, deep offices of centralized government far from our local reality.
Freddie
Former member of the Beacon Hill Tavern softball team way back when it was nothing but sticky Michelob all around
Freddie, with all respect, acrimony pisses people off and makes them not want anything to do with the people who attack them, which decreases democratic participation and promotes power blocks and oligarchy.
On the other hand reasoned debate that makes a distinction between the position a person holds and that person’s value as a human being increases democratic participation.
I would hope the end of this is both that The Mighty Oak opens up and Ms. Lewis and Mr. Mateo feel that their opinions were heard and considered politely, not that they were acrimoniously attacked in the name of “advertising.”
I’ll happily discuss my opinions with anyone and I can be persuaded to change them, but the instant someone says I hold them because I am “ignorant” or “uninformed” instead of trying to persuade me by informing me, I know they are more interested in getting their own way at any cost than they are in encouraging informed democracy. Insulting people personally, (for the record, you have never insulted me, but others around here certainly have) may win battles, but it doesn’t help recruit allies.
For the record, I covered all my bases by contacting the WSLCB customer service email address *and* the two email addresses given in the flier.
I live next to the Redwood on Capitol Hill. I wish you guys the best of luck. We really enjoy the loud music, the screaming drunks, the pissing in our bushes, and the fights. We especially enjoy the revving engines at closing time. And the garbage. Oh and the shabby grafitti covered walls. And the who cares attitude of the owners.
Enjoy your bar.
As a Beacon Hill mom, I fully support having a pub. I loved the Beacon Pub back in the day and look forward to another place to drop in on those rare occasions when we can sneak away and just be adults for a while.
Just as a clarification on something. The law does not prohibit a liquor license to anyone within 500 feet of a school or church. It does however give the school or church a final and deciding vote as to whether or not there will be a permit issued.
I was chatting with the guy who is opening the bar next to El Quetzal. He told me the pub that was apparently supposed to open in the building formerly occupied by Rockit Space apparently fell afoul of this rule. Denise Louie exercised their voting rights and voted NO.
That is a rumor — the folks at the pub say they are still going to be opening.
I like Freddie’s comments although I had to look up acrimony, Which means “sharp biting comments etc . LOL.
Umm, vote with my throat ? hmm shouting from the roof tops ? might sometimes cause use of my index finger .
As a Mariners Fan, perhaps We and Freddie could organize a new baseball team, not necessarily
from all the bars , but from other businesses too. What great advertisement . Further ,I dunno what sticky Micelob is. You can buy me a Heinekens !
As for Dan’s comment on churches, Some parishioners like their beer ,same as anyone else.
I have sent a second request to the WSLCB to approve the Mighty Oak license. L L